Saturday, July 4, 2026

To Yoko Ono, pt 2

I'm not sure if your Chirp Club post is really about Vietnam, or even about peace. But I'm talking about Vietnam.

Tangent:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War hyphen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Japanese_War the two recent wars use hyphens. The two wars fought in the 600s use en dashes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish–American_War en dash
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS:ENBETWEEN recommends en dash.

Sino-Vietnamese_War § Background, begins with this paragraph:

>Just as the First Indochina War—which emerged from the complex situation following World War II—and the Vietnam War arose from the indecisive aftermath of political relations, the Third Indochina War again followed the unresolved problems of the earlier wars.

I'm speculating.

>In February 1976, Vietnam implemented registration programs in the south.  Ethnic Chinese in Vietnam were required to adopt Vietnamese citizenship or leave the country.

Was this like in Malaysia or maybe Indonesia? There, Chinese people were attacked, because Chinese people were seen as rich (the landlords). But China supported the government in Cambodia, which was killing rich people. But those rich people were probably not Chinese.

If the conflict was, at least in part, because of Chinese people having attitudes which lead to them becoming rich, then the last poll in the previous post seems relevant.

Is this what "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" is about? Is the difference that in Soviet-style socialism, and by inference in Vietnamese-style socialism, people are expected to act like they are being generous? While in Chinese-style socialism, the expectation is that everyone is being selfish in their business relationships?

Speculation: in Chinese history, people becoming powerful, which generally was the same as rich, was good for the country. Just the basic idea that the unification of China was good, because it meant less war. But for nations surrounding China, this was not necessarily true. War occurs around borders. Language divides people into nations, creating borders. And war means instability, which encourages rulers to act in a harsh way. This could make the common people view the ruler, and rich people in general, more negatively in a country like Vietnam which borders China.

Like, the fact that a large proportion of people in Vietnam have the same surname, because of all the wars in which the defeated faction wanted to hide their identity.

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Update 04 Jul 2026, 17:29

Polls are useful because they let people who expect that most people think the same way as they do see that they're wrong.

Soviet factories making the wrong types of goods, because it's more profitable for the factory even though it's worse for the nation: this is not being generous.

Poll: Would you choose to receive $1, or for another person chosen at random to receive $2?

Poll: Would you choose for yourself, all of your relatives, all of their friends, and everyone who lives in the same town as you to each receive $1, or for an equal number of people who live elsewhere to each receive $2?

 

Other effects, like individual farm plots being much more productive than the collective farm plots: this is probably more about 'following the rules'. When you suspect everyone of wanting to act differently than how you want them to act, you create lots of rules to ensure everyone acts a certain way, but these rules may not give a good result even if they are followed. That question, from like 2011 2010: "who is most aware of the importance of a task or able to understand the quality of its execution (not the same)". Example of a rule not being followed: "accurately report how much food has been produced in your area. You will be rewarded if the number is high, and punished if the number is low." (Holodomor.) Counterexample, of rules being followed: "Only give help to people who are so poor that they own almost nothing." (Irish famine.)

Edit: If the CEO of a large company were to hold a press conference and announce, "We are hereby insulting our customers. That is all", how many customers would they lose?

I won't say anything more about anything involving real-life money or economics until the amount of money I have increases by $0.01.